Butters like cocoa, shea and mango seed

There has been ALOT of discussion on these butters when used topically, between the admins from various Guaifenesin Support groups and myself. And this is what I have come to:

Topical Butters are NOT ok! Some people totally block on them and it’s NOT worth slowing down your progress over. It’s like mint, just walk away! You WILL find other lovely products to replace the ones with butters in them.

Here’s the cause for discussion: PURE Cocoa butter, Shea Butter and Mango Seed butter in your products MAY be ok. One group does allow butters as some people don’t block on them. Personally, I am not willing to be one of those groups! I want EVERYONE to have the best possible chance of getting well again on the protocol.

These particular butters are processed fats from seeds. If that is ALL that is in the butter, you are supposed to be fine. The idea with these butters being safe for the protocol is because they are supposed to sit on the skin and not get absorbed. Umm, really?! That’s the whole reason I love them! They absorb and feel amazing!

Here’s the trouble: These pure butters are costly and companies will sometimes add other oils or extracts to cut the cost down or improve the quality and we don’t know what other ingredients are used for this purpose and could block our Guaifenesin from working. Not to mention how much of it actually does get absorbed through your skin!

I make my own products and LOVE the feel of Cocoa butter in my products. I do double check on the ingredient list by contacting the company that makes my cocoa butter. BUT, this concerns me enough that I have stopped making and selling products with cocoa butterΒ  πŸ™‚

Everyone has different sensitivity to sals, so some could use these things and not block, while others will totally block and see reversal in their clearing progress. I didn’t have good progress in clearing over the past year and I am pretty sure it’s the butters. When I cut out all my products with butters, I started cycling pretty hard and noticeably! I am not willing to risk it, are you? Char’s Motto totally applies here: When in doubt, do without!

*Please note that salicylate sensitivity plays a role in this! My website and support group are VERY sal careful!Β  We have found certain things to block the salicylate sensitive people (such as using Vinegars topically,Β  Stevia,Β  topical butters, gums, certain toothpastes) and want to be extremely cautious with what we say is safe or not. Anybody who is being mapped by Dr St Amand or Dr Congdon is a different story, as they have someone who can help them to know when they are blocking. The rest of us who don’t have mappers have to be SUPER diligent so that we don’t block, since we have nobody to catch it if we do!*

Click for more: FAQ about the Guaifenesin Protocol and Salicylates

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14 Responses to Butters like cocoa, shea and mango seed

  1. Diana says:

    I’m new to this protocol and wondering about butters in foods. I think I read in Dr ST AMAND’s book that foods which contain salicylates are not to cause concern. I also read that a single ingredient extracted from a food should not be a concern if not concentrated. Please correct me if i misunderstood this, because I eat a chocolate sold by Trader Joes that contains cocoa butter as the second ingredient. I love it because the ingredient list is clear of corn syrup, vanillin, etc…. please give me your opinion on ingesting chocolate and cocoa butter in that food. I”m not hypoglycemic, to my knowledge. Thanks. πŸ™‚

    • Christine says:

      Hi Diana! Thanks for commenting, i totally need to specify this in my post!
      TOPICAL butters are what I’m talking about in this post. Eating butters are totally fine! No worries! πŸ™‚ The only things you need to worry about eating are mint and herbal supplements, and plant ingredients in mg amounts in your vitamins and smoothies, etc πŸ™‚
      So go right ahead and enjoy your chocolate! YUM! πŸ™‚
      Does that clarify it for ya?

      • Diana says:

        Yes, thank you, Christine! That helps very much. Also, thanks for posting the facebook group link (found in an entry elsewhere on your site) and the link to Dr Armand’s website where I located his salicylate-free products lists. Thanks for this very helpful info for a newbie.

        PS, yes is verrrry good chocolate! big smile πŸ˜€

        • Christine says:

          Mmmm, CHOCOLATE!! πŸ˜€ One day I’m gonna be able to eat chocolate again and it wont affect me like it does right now πŸ™‚ Glad you are able to eat it!
          and it’s my pleasure to help out πŸ™‚

  2. Anonymous says:

    What do you know about coconut oil as a skin moisturizer? I have used for years but I am now starting guai this week…. Barry

    • Christine says:

      Hi Barry πŸ™‚

      SO excited that you’re starting Guaifenesin soon!! πŸ˜€ Have you read the book by Dr St Amand that explains the protocol? Your guaifenesin won’t work to reverse your symptoms unless you do the whole protocol and I don’t want you to waste your time and money!

      Coconut oil is a plant oil that has salicylates in it, so it will block the effect of your Guaifenesin from working to get you better! Try Emu oil, it has similar properties and SUCH a lovely oil πŸ™‚

      Keep in touch! I’m happy to help any way I can πŸ™‚

  3. Marsha says:

    Hi Christine,
    I love your site, informative and fun. Anyway, I have been on the Protocol for almost 3 mos; I take Pro Health Guai FA 400 mg every six hrs. I have taken myself off Cymbalta, (antidepressant) twice because of ins, very rough. I have also gotten off Methyphenidate, (Rittlin) morn and aft because of ins. I just recently got off Hydrocodone/Acetaminophen 7.5-325 mg, (pain med) every 6hrs, very rough. Now I am weaning myself off Tramadol, 50 mg (Ultram) pain med w/out Dr’s help, because she relocated. I am to sick and have some phone phobia, but, I know I need to get a Dr that is open to new ideas and not just drugs.

    What I am wondering about is should I be taking a higher dose of Guai or add an LA to what I am taking, I am either cycling hard or withdrawal from meds or maybe both. I do not have the energy along with so much pain to get cleaned up let alone get showered. Is there anything safe I could take to help me so I can get some energy and help w/some of the pain so I can get myself in some sort of gear to be able to see my family? I have to keep canceling. I know it is going to take quite awhile since I am sure I have probably had fibro since a teenager or earlier, but, I am a warrior and no one can take that from me.

    Sorry I have been so windy, I write more than I talk and it is kind of nice to get some of this out w/out having to try to explain myself to people that I can’t expect them to understand what I am doing, but, they will see down the road.

    O.K., I will sign off,
    Thanks for listening,

    • Christine says:

      Hi Marsha! You are AMAZING for getting yourself off all these drugs, that is a brutal road! And I know what you’re going through, people have such a hard time understanding what life is like for us since they don’t experience it. Hang in there, it will get better! <3
      Thank you for your kind words about my site!

      I just need to ask a few questions so I know how to help you better, hope that's ok!

      1. Have you read the book by Dr St Amand and Claudia Merek called, "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Fibromyalgia."?
      2. Did you go through all your topical and dental and vitamins/pills to make sure everything is salicylate free?
      3. Are you being mapped? do you keep a symptom journal?

      SO, my first reaction to your comment is that I wonder if you read the book since your dosing is so different than what Dr St Amand suggests.

      Taking FA guai only can be SO brutal! If you are not being mapped it's nearly impossible for you to know if you are clearing!!! FA hits your system so hard, so fast and only clears for 4 hours. So, when it wears off in between doses, you are re-depositing.

      This is why Dr St Amand has us taking LA/ER guaifenesin. It is so much easier on us and you can find your clearing dose.

      I have some advice, but don't panic, you aren't the only one who's done this!! What I would suggest is to go OFF the guai for 2 weeks. Let your body settle from this crazy clearing/redepositing that is making you feel WAY worse than you need to. During these 2 weeks, start going through my step-by-step on Getting Started on the Protocol: http://christinescozycorner.ca/help-getting-started-on-the-guaifenesin-protocol/

      The protocol is done in such a way that it is easiest as possible on you so that you can do it long-term and be successful! I know it’s a bit overwhelming and alot to take in, but it WORKS when you do it right! I think you will find that when you do it as per the book, you will start feeling so much better so much faster! <3 hang in there, you can do this!! <3

      • Marsha says:

        Christine, I did not see this reply to my msg until now. Thank you, you have helped me so much, I got off the Guai 400 FA right away, than ordered from FibroPharmacy 300 ER and ordered CVS Guai 600 ER from Ebay to get stocked-up. I will start the Guai 300 ER from FibroPharmacy for a wk, than go from there. I have not started yet, a little nervous, but will get brave and go for it. I think I am almost through withdrawal from the Tramadol and now have the raw Fibro pain and fatigue, etc. Wish me luck! Thanks, Marsha

        • Christine says:

          Glad to hear you got your guai all sorted out Marsha! πŸ™‚ Did you read the book by Dr St Amand yet? I started the protocol before I was done the book, and I made alot of mistakes at the beginning too!

          Good job in the Tramadol withdrawal! How long does the doc say it takes to get over that? I encourage you to wait until you are past that before starting the guaifenesin! It’s hard enough to find your dose based on your symptoms, but when things are a little wonky from withdrawal, it will be even harder!

          I’m totally excited for you! πŸ˜€ YAY!! <3

  4. Mary says:

    Hi Christine,

    First of all, thank you for such an informative and useful site. I’m still reading my way through it.
    I have a question about soaps. For years, I’ve been making my own soap bars out of sunflower oil and lye, nothing else.
    I use the soap for showering, hand-washing, laundry, liquid soap, basically everything and it foams beautifully and leaves clothes really clean.
    Is sunflower oil ok salycilate-wise when used in soap making?



    • Christine says:

      Hi Mary! πŸ™‚ I am so glad my site has been a help to you! Makes all the work and time worth it πŸ™‚ Sorry it’s taken me so long to get back to you, I just got back from holidays, it was SO awesome!! Snorkeling and everything! woohoo! πŸ˜€
      Ok, so making bar soap is a bit complicated. I know some people on the protocol who use sal-full oils to make their soaps, but I am not willing to risk it.
      I used to make my own bar soap and did alot of research to make sure I wasn’t blocking.

      SO, when you add your lye to your oils, it changes most of the oil to a chemical that won’t block. The TROUBLE is what about the bit left behind that hasn’t been saponified? In order to make it truly sal-free, you would need to use more lye so that there is NO oil left. That makes a very harsh and drying soap. You see the issue here? Because you use it for everything like this, I worry that you might be blocking.
      How long have you been on the protocol for? What kind of guai? What dose?

  5. Anonymous says:

    You are wonderful!

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